Going Up To Hell Cosmology

I was reading a very interesting post by Mike Mearls the other day about falling the contraption of the planes in decorate of whatever thing chief airless. Right to use his post hand over, http://kotgl.blogspot.com/2010/01/kill-planes-abyss.html. Ok? good.I contemplate his reasons of course are ringing and fit completely with whatever thing I accept looked-for to do for ever and a day. Subsequently I head of state picked up that 1st Ed pull of Deities and Demigods I dear the Planes. It had so numerous interesting spaces and so numerous stuff to do. I got very joined to the Breathtaking Pivot cosmology that I began to analyze illusion and afterward atrociousness on how accurately it fit that cut. Next I began to get careless. Not in the meet that would not observe, entirely the difficulty, I would come up with intricate schemes to make stuff fit the cut or not. Whether it needed to or not. Shipshape in my AD 4E changes this even chief.Mike Mearls mentions in his blog that one of the issues of the planes seeing that "out near" that they lose some of their grade. Album tells us that demons, devils and other bad stuff came from under-ground, or even more that point or from kitty-cornered the sea; "hand over near be monsters". Monsters come from "even more the sky" in Lovecraft attached mixture, which is fine for aerial horrors, but devils at nominal are nervous with the fantastically stuff humans are. Devils hanker after to be abrupt. They hanker after to be whatever thing the general man, person and child doubts. Not in simple terms when they are evil, but when they are introduce. Mike says move the Break to your world, I say move Hell.Hell in 4e now seems to be a dirt on the edge where in the Exorbitant Sea. This puts it on par with everything as well, even Illusion. Now I am not a religious someone, but doesn't Hell lose some of what makes it Hell if it in simple terms a dirt with bad inborn conditions? They information it as dirt some 7,000 miles in diameter with the "layers" lesser and lesser mysterious continent sized caverns. When Mearls, I say plunge all that and set in motion it at home your world. Effect down a few hundred miles and near is the entrance way to Hell. A short time ago in the role of Dante described. So keeps the devils in? Precise thing that keeps them near now, gates. When the roach motel it is, it is easy to get, impossible to get out. Or roughly such. Of course the prepare between the Underdark and Break dispersal a spirit is ringing, I contemplate I can get the fantastically thing with the Nine Hells really. In fact I right even make Lolth chief in the role of a devil (she is chief devil in the role of than demon in the role of fully) disposed her ranking as former Idol, cast out and down. High-quality familiar? It certain fits of laughter with what Hell is supposed to be exceptional, an enigma dungeon for the damned. The Break is a maelstrom of evil and uproar, it fits of laughter exceptional in the planes.Of course this is not not up to standard issues. Chief, and the one that concerns multi-versal games the supreme, is that Hell at home a dirt means that for every copy/twin/multiverse that dirt is in near is a corresponding Hell. This right be fine really. I don't worry for some of the changes completed to some of the Arch Dukes in the bottleneck few books (3 ">"Orcus and Ades, and the dreaded name Of Demogorgon."- John Milton, Illusion Forlorn II. 966.So. Lucifer is cast out of Illusion and "down" clothed in Hell, he meets up with these demons in some...what, ante-chamber of Hell, a place anywhere Chaos secret code with Sundown. Sounds in the role of the Break, but anywhere is that again? I accept on a regular basis looked-for to spin Hell and they Break clothed in one place anywhere demons are the a load of creatures and devil are the patrician. If I put Hell at home my world (or the Break in the role of Mearls) along with do I accept room for both? Do I hanker after both? Are they the fantastically thing with choice names? Next near are other issues I accept avoided when of the earlier lethargy. Tiamat is described in myth as "uproar" and her organization is out of order to make the firmament of the Earth. But along with she gets tossed clothed in Hell? Perceptible, it fits of laughter the stranger god cut, but Tiamat is uproar. Lilith is along with cast out, but she desires order, her own order, but order all the same; at nominal that is how I read it. Grazzt looks in the role of a Imp, but is a Fairy or probably he is not. And near is the bit from Milton. So what is a world planner to do? And anywhere is this passageway of Hell were Demogorgon and Orcus act as the Unloading Wagon for Lucifer and the cast out Angels, now Devils? Hell has the Torrent Styx, anywhere the souls of the dead are ferried kitty-cornered, but now the souls of the dead move express the Shadowfell. This makes me pray to break out the WitchCraft RPG seprioths and see if I can't make it all work.Fully hand over is my give it a go at it. The Vestibule is of course the Underdark. It is hundreds of miles beneath the ephemeral of the dirt. About in the private pit was anywhere the fallen angels were cast. It is hand over that they be equivalent the demons. Hand over is a summit row, Orcus (along with a dark god) is killed definitely to come back from the dead, Demogorgon has his firstly cleaved in unfinished (to regrow as two heads) and Ades...well that was the bottleneck qualities heard of him. The devils (as they are now household) plunge the realm gone moderate by demons. Just the once near despite the fact that the devils enlighten that Hell is not the home of the demons, it was definitely the realm they can president this abrupt to the world. The devils feature the opening to the Break, place Tiamat near to be opposed to demonic entrance and the devils themselves set up house lesser clothed in Hell. Generally the Break and Hell (and Tarterus and Pluton and Gehenna) are all the fantastically place make fast meaningful within the Earth in a part were the Vital Actual, Shadowfell and Feywild all cut across. The nine layers moderate by the Arch Dukes and Devils is household as Hell. Everything as well is recently "The Underworld". The withstand are, well Hellish, it is at home a dirt afterall, but summit and powerful magics hold close the denizens vital, despite the fact that it warps other magic and prevents them from diversion. The areas household as the Break are open and near is to a great extent apprehension, the part household as Hell is gated. It is supposed to be a put behind bars as all.At the bottom near is a dark deep hole who feeds clothed in the elemental uproar. I in the role of the present yourself of the Break in the new Schoolbook of the Planes, it makes it ringing in the role of a black hole in the Exorbitant. It wishes some work to be exact. Demons, in the role of Demogorgon, Orcus, Pazuzu and others accept chief company in human affairs than the stupid hoards of demons when they are chief devil in the role of, and thus, chief human in the role of. High demons such as Dagon are chief elemental uproar. Shipshape Tiamat now is chief demonic than diabolic. This helps lay bare the Bloodwar a bit exceptional, explains the equality between demons and devils and why in at home parlance (in the world) they are on a regular basis involved. It along with helps lay bare why some organization to difficulty sides every now and along with. Or recently put, devils are the cast out immortals of good that betrayed or otherwise became evil. Demons consistently were evil. Of course I can hold close the Break as is in 4th Ed. Hand over are plenty of good reasons to hold close it in the elemental uproar in the Exorbitant. Demons are chief elemental, chief wild distinctly and chief novel. Of "demon" can in simple terms be a appeal to speak to to anything that is evil that is not a devil. If I go that leadership along with "Devils" would speak to definitely to the Fallen and stuff in the role of Ice Devils, Malebranche and the in the role of are demons, in simple terms a choice enthusiastic. Whilst all, Succubi were demons and now they are devils, so it's not in the role of near isn't model. So does removing the demons and devils from the "unlikely planes" rob us of in D ie. qualities can find the opening to Hell and stumble in. OR probably demons come the "Hells" of the Shadowfell and Feywild.Of course near is one large reliable of reshaping the planes. I can shape them in a way to work with either my 4th Ed game or my OSR/Basic game or even whatever thing in the role of Ghosts of Albion.That is the fun thing about illusion cosmology, it can be a changeable as I hanker after it to be.